But I think there comes a point beyond which IQ differences are less significant than other factors. So whats up with this? That lens was only resolving 20 megapixels which is within my guessed range of 15-20 megapixel optical resolution. Because most of street photographers would have no problems to be in movement most of time BUT also try be be somehow steady (just enough) for one or two seconds in the moment of each click. Historically, fixed lens cameras (be they folders, rangefinders, or SLRs) have always been less expensive, not more. I just bought a FF camera with a 42mp sensor and see that the IQ is so good that I no longer feel FF is overkill. Only you and your style turns that into a problem. The Leica Q is the better street camera of the two, but to be honest, for $500, the Ricoh GR knocks the spots of both of them :). The Sony Cyber-shot RX1R II is the world's smallest full-frame camera, featuring a 42MP sensor, fixed ZEISS 35mm F2 lens, pop-up electronic viewfinder and excellent autofocus system. Interestingly, the previous model X100T was the one to introduce phase detect AF, yet it didn't deliver a significant improvement. That said, when doing street photography it’s probably best to rely more on zone focusing, using a fixed manual focus and aperture setting to guarantee everything from a few feet to infinity will appear in focus. I would say the IQ difference between a smart phone and an RX100 is far greater than the IQ difference between the RX100 and the RX1Rii. If they left the same lens on 42 megapixel sensor then bad... Not enough. DXO uses different metrics for lenses (sharpness, distortion, vignetting, transmission, chromatic aberration) and in fact DXO Mark has not tested the lens of RX1R II at all. Really, didn't realize one is a fixed lens and one is not. The point being that Sony do not consider the shutter on the a7R to be good enough to give it a year's warranty, which you'd normally expect. But this is not reality! The Ricoh's are still by far the best street cameras I've ever used and I've tried most of them. Yes but even with that grip Sony A7R II is not as comfortable as Nikon's or Canon's with larger lenses and without a vertical grip.I wish Sony matched camera and optics better. I recommend using the camera instead of writing nonsense. As for the lens, I think Sony *should* have updated it for the added resolution. Ultra means 'beyond' so, what 'beyond compact' means? Photography books never go out of style and can also serve as inspiration for years to come. I dont think the lens are interchangeable. (that's what killed Nokia's cellphones). The on-sensor PDAF system with face detection is excellent at accurately and smoothly tracking faces in video capture without hunting, and you can even plug in a microphone (but without a headphone port, you can't monitor it). You people who live in temperate climates can all go jump in a lake. However, Sony finally released one in early 2015. I fix them and resell them, they are almost always defective, they were all unreliable. Easy :-). I think development of new tools for this camera is about the apps Sony can to sell you, and not to add functions with no reward. ?? But for me, its limitations make it more suitable for the sort of photography where you can take your time to get your shot. There is high detail retention, extensive dynamic range, and great high ISO performance. Sure, it gives you the option to control myriad functions and settings, but doing so is so unintuitive and inefficient that I suspect most RX1R II owners rarely take advantage of all that control. It is actually a marvel in miniaturisation, and that cannot be overstated enough. We find that, especially in a camera with an advanced autofocus system and no direct autofocus point controls, it would be helpful for a good amount of users. @EvilTed Thanks for that info, really useful. The good news is that for most purposes, you'll be fine shooting in compressed Raw mode with somewhat more manageable ~40MB file sizes. CA is 'normal' with many wide-angles from Zeiss. I've already had a Fuji X100F and hated it and flipped it the next day for what I paid for it.Sorry, but the small Ricoh is still the superior street machine compared to any other I've tried. >> the reviews I have read tell that the sensor and the lens are a match made in Heaven. But I think there comes a point beyond which IQ differences are less significant than other factors. Read our full review to find out how it performs. Also the lenses of smart phones are poor and very limited in focal length. In many cases there's no need for change. The leaf shutter in the lens means you won't have to deal with vibration-inducing shutter shock (and you get insane flash sync speeds), but you better watch your shutter speed if you want to get the most of your 42 million pixels. That 3rd party cost me £40 for the pleasure of being told they do not fix broken shutter curtains, only Sony do that even after being told the Curtiss was in several pieces. I have several old Sony Reel to Reel decks. Of. Better option for who and for what? Usually they find a camera that they feel comfortable and satisfied with and keep that. And that is because those are SENSOR ONLY tests if were reading carefully. Also remember that even A7R II does not yet have any native mount lenses (let us hope G Master line be such) that match the sensor resolution. What are the top sony cyber-shot rx1r ii available in today’s market? I think the problem is the resolution of the sensor.42MP is just a bit too demanding of shot discipline to be able shoot it in a run and gun method. So as for the leaf shutter impact over traditional DSLRs - I'm impressed. At M$3.3K a FF camera with a crazy 42Mp sensor in a tiny accommodation deserves a bigger body with a good battery and approipriate treatment in order not to have any of those 'Cons'. I reckon not. With the exception of the fiddly AF-mode switch, the RX1R II's dials are well-damped and offer enough positive feedback to let you use them with your eye to the finder. I am sorry for you.DXO mark clearly indicates that Sony does not have any native mount lenses to match A7R II's 42 megapixel resolution. What's more, start-up times from a battery swap or a long period of inactivity are lengthy. That doesn't mean a camera like X-T2 couldn't do the job, having half of the weight.Third: Cuz Rx1rII still overpriced (doesn't have the "brand/handcrafting" value of Leica) and flawed camera. Below compact size, or above compact size? It is not what it should have been at such high price point. Read more. What is with the $600 price jump?? Tiny body, 35mm lens. ?? It sucked. Thanks for bringing that into an argument to prop up my point of view.2) You do not need to go far from the center to see sharpness deterioration. My a7r motherboard fried for no reason in my camera bag, and it was just over a year. Other systems might have CA correction on by default and you might not even realize. You "could" pre-focus to a set distance, but for $3200, I was not going to entertain that cr@p every time I walked outside with it. I use it in "real world" shooting, without any trouble, just like I used to do with my old M5 : two hands and eye in the viewer. People who buy it are not looking for interchangeable lenses. When the original RX1 and RX1R were released back in late 2012, they existed more or less in a vacuum. The RX1R II seems to have a very similar JPEG engine to the one in the a7R II, and this is a good thing. Which in my opinion is a stupid thing to complain about because you new the size of the battery before you bought it. Dylthedog,If I am to pay the consequences of 42 megapixels I at least want to have the full benefits (this is wrt pixel pipping). Most people would only have to: 1- be careful if the subject has a movement fast enough to make the problem evident. After a couple minor updates, version 4.1 has been released. The Q is a dream. Can you tell me any of the highest quality primes other than telephoto that have OS? It's not about being inflexible.It's about choosing the right tool for the job.If you took a pole today of cameras used by serious, published, street photographers, I don't think you'll find the RX1r II very high on the list. Your argument is flawed. You would think they would comment on the "poor optics".So, even though the camera has "poor optics" (according to you) they still say this. Camera is forcibly reduced in size to appear small, as it is the only competitive 'advantage' it can muster. >> As well you say, the DxO team have not teated this lens yet, so why quote the outgoing combo' ? Why do you say that ?I bought one (second hand) to have a super 35mm lens in front of a super 42 MPix sensor all this in a nearly pocketable camera. That’s interesting, considering this review fawns over the camera’s AF performance. 2) I pair up my a7r with the lovely Zeiss Biogon ZM 35mm f2.0 ( great on the M240) and at smaller apertures, say 11 or 13, there is an almost lenticular vignetting effect mid image, I will run out an example and send a link to illustrate this later. For me, never. But because the camera is so light you can use one of the smaller carbon fiber tripods like a baby Gitzo and a lighter ball or gear head from someone like Kirk or RRS. Are you that poor a photographer that you have to reference DXO for everything (well you did buy a camera with a grip you hate) or can you not tell the difference in quality on your own? This is a camera for people with lots of money burning a hole in their pocket. (that's what killed Nokia's cellphones). While the lack of any real protruding grip does make the design tidier, it means the camera rarely feels secure in a hand while out shooting. If you're an Auto ISO shooter, you'll be pleased to know the RX1R II's implementation of auto ISO is simple and well thought-out. Thank you RX1R2... " it seems that even for $249, you can't really get what you want or what you need. These first real-world examples, captured on an unnamed Qualcomm-powered smartphone, show what the CAI standard experience is like when viewing the images online. It's not necessarily the most feature-packed or expensive smartphones that move. It's not professional kit and the backup Sony provides is awful should things go wrong. My chief complaint about Canon is not with their sensors but with their design decisions for non-DSLR camera models. People who buy it are not looking for interchangeable lenses. Can you shoot macro? For RX1R II that would mean smaller resolution but the same sensor technology (should help low light as well). Can't help but the picture of the man and the dog (which is nice by the way) is totally noisy @ISO 125. NO. In this article, Jordan reviews the winners and provides more detail on why they were selected. I use the menus a few times at the beginning and after that i only search the "format" item. Camera shake remains exactly the same, it's only more noticeable if you zoom in to 100% on a 42MP compared to 100% with 24MP, for obvious reasons. On the other hand, the small size makes it tempting to use it one handed for quick snaps or street shooting, in the hope that the continuous AF with face recognition will take care of sharpness. After a flurry of camera announcements from Sony towards the end of 2015 we were not expecting any big launches. I made the mistake of attending a local street photography festival, where Leica was handing out a variety of cameras and lenses for free 90 minute test drives. The field curvation makes it not the first choise for flat subjects but its sharpness wide open is great and you will have a hard challenge to find a better 35mm lens. No. >> come up with clearly exaggerated statements regarding all things Sony. I hear the A7R II does a good job of focusing Canon lenses... Or you could just stop pixel-peeping. You don't seem to know what field curvation means. They do not test optical resolution and other optical qualities at all. But for me, its limitations make it more suitable for the sort of photography where you can take your time to get your shot. First: because it's a very new (less than 2 year old). Otherwise DXO Mark clearly indicates Sony does not have native E-mount lenses with resolution to match 42 megapixel sensor. Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX1R II review Overkill for most, with a few flaws, but that doesn’t stop us wanting one - the RX1R II is a phenomenal luxury compact camera. The organizers have pushed back the Las Vegas event amidst concerns surrounding the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic. Not so easy. Sony does not have a in house repair center in the US. If you favor the camping style of street photography (wait somewhere for someone to walk into your scene), this may be an acceptable camera, but for those of us who shoot one-handed and constantly on the move, it's just not going to cut it. DPR states several times that while a totally flat scene doesn't lend itself to this camera's strengths, real world works out just fine. We created four polls, covering lenses and cameras, including more than 50 products in total. Year! Real-world testing has shown that lens sharpness is good to excellent across the frame, even wide open, and field curvature is rarely a major issue in everyday use. I appreciate some of the above items are not of interest for some, I for one have no idea what video is for, and yet I have held off buying this camera as I have a feeling it's sensor really needs better optics to break through to that next level. How long is a piece of string? Your argument is flawed. And because the engineering challenges are steep and the market is relatively small, they've always commanded a price premium over mass-market point-and-shoot and SLR cameras. If you want a small FF camera your going to have to compromise somewhere. Also the lenses of smart phones are poor and very limited in focal length. The latest version of Adobe Lightroom adds native support for Apple M1-powered computers, as well as Qualcomm Snapdragon-powered Windows 10 Arm devices. If you are paying $3300 for this, then you can definitely add $249 for the TGA-1 thumb grip. RX1 is ultracompact, RX100 is infracompact; what is compact then? I never said anybody else should agree. That said, when doing street photography it’s probably best to rely more on zone focusing, using a fixed manual focus and aperture setting to guarantee everything from a few feet to infinity will appear in focus. I am guessing since you are here it is option 1. But I suspect that setting this camera up for zone focusing will be difficult due to its poor ergonomics and menus. Are you that poor a photographer that you have to reference DXO for everything (well you did buy a camera with a grip you hate) or can you not tell the difference in quality on your own? Not one. It's just way too much money for what it is. The prevailing wisdom is that what was missing was the X100F's higher voltage battery which allowed for greater torque in the AF motor. It includes additional camera support, fixes, improvements and Apple M1 compatibility. If you do then there are only two reasons you could come up with a statement like "poor optics". Studio comparison clearly shows softness across the field for RX1R II. I got less than 70 shots in 0-4 deg C temperature. A marketing deception Sony line's of FF cameras suffer from, which seriously affects theoretical optimal performance of used components. Dylthedog,If I am to pay the consequences of 42 megapixels I at least want to have the full benefits (this is wrt pixel pipping). I agree, the wheels on the Ricoh GRD are fast and responsive. This setting works fine so far. This setting works fine so far. And A7rII is almost as fast as A7s, besides much higher resolution. While I'd hope that their products will be reliable, I have yet to see it happen, their current products are throw-away items, they are too expensive to repair, or parts are not available. Former RX1 owner here - I just picked up the RX1R II. In use, it is generally swifter than Fujifilm's X100T, if not quite as fast as the Leica Q. The RX1R II sensor is 7.5x larger. Your "hate" Nikon for their poor live view implementation? But I had a lot of out of focus images where I aimed for impromptu shots of my kids etc. @Camley, yes I think it would be more troubling in a smaller sensor, but a larger sensor has more area to catch dust. If you use proper technique a good photographer doesn't really need IS with a 35mm lens. The end, Is there not to much noise here? I'm currently trying to get the A6300 to work, but finding small, wide lenses that actually bring out the best of the sensor is hard.My current favorite is the Loxia 21mm F2.8, which I'm shooting zone-focussed @ F8 1/500s and it seems to be working. In other words, software-based stabilization. ;). Did you try turning the sharpening up? You've probably heard of lens, or focus, breathing. :DKG, same here. Sorry, but there is nothing exaggerated in plain facts. Bend your knees and make like a human gimbal. Maximum image quality in a pocket-sized camera. Outstanding build quality. We've updated our 'best cameras for travel' buying guide for those looking for a camera to bring on their next adventure, once it's safe to do so. On smaller cameras without much room for them, they always look dull, really dull no... 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